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Is Jan Brewer Lying For Politics and Profit?

Posted by Christian on Jul 27th, 2010 in News, Politics | 75 comments

Arizona Governor Jan Brewer

Discussion of any highly controversial or contentious political issue is bound to contain its fair share of misinformation. Unfortunately, that’s just the nature of the beast today. People are generally too intellectually incurious to do even the most remedial of research into a topic. This is not sole property of either left or right or progressive or conservative or religious or secular, etc.

Now, it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see that part of the reason Gov. Brewer signed SB 1070 was to protect her own political backside from getting walloped in the Republican primary by notable blowhard Sheriff Joe Arpaio. Every poll leading up to her signing the bill had her winning the primary…..except in cases where Arpaio ran. However, once Arpaio held his press conference to say he’s not running, you’d she would have toned down the rhetoric a few notches.

Not so, it seems.

Brewer claimed that she believes almost all illegal immigrants are bringing drugs across the border.

The US Border Patrol says her claim is false.

Brewer claims that decapitated bodies are being found in the desert.

An investigation by a local news station, in which all border county coroners were asked to verify this claim revealed that all of Arizona’s border county medical examiners revealed no decapitated bodies have been reported to them.

She claims that crime rates are increasing due to illegal immigration.

FBI crime statistics show this to be another lie. Violent crime has dropped every year since 2004, the murder rate is half of what it was in 2003, and the Border Patrol reports that the number of border crossers are half of what they were in 2004.

The latest piece of this story came from KPHO:

In the meantime, a CBS 5 News investigation revealed that there is one business that could profit from the implementation of SB 1070 and similar immigration measures. The private prison industry houses illegal immigrant detainees for the federal government. Those companies could gain contracts with state and local agencies to house illegal immigrants arrested for state violations.

Corrections Corporation of America, or CCA, holds the federal contract to house detainees in Arizona. The company bills $11 million per month. CBS 5 Investigates learned that two of Brewer’s top advisers have connections to CCA.

Paul Senseman is the governor’s deputy chief of staff. He is also a former lobbyist for CCA. His wife is listed as a current lobbyist for the company.

Chuck Coughlin is one of the governor’s policy advisers and her campaign chairman. Coughlin’s company, HighGround Public Affairs Consultants, currently lobbies for CCA.

So, she signs a bill to save her political backside that has the potential to put money in the pocket of two of her top advisors.

Something stinks, and the source is in the Governor’s mansion.

http://thechurchofjesuschrist.us Joel

She is stirring it up with her lies about the murderous, ‘everyone’s a drug mule’ illegals.

It is not a mosque and it is not at Ground Zero therefore those who say it is, is lying.

Your last quip is just too silly to point out your hate filled rhetoric only shows that you have yet to either read the constitution or the bible.

Like usual, Mickey, you fail to understand the argument, coming from a very bad and dark place and only want to bring others down with you; therefore I will continue to refuse to engage you in any dialogue.
mickey

OK…so Brewer exaggerated things…..is this a game we really want to play? Are democrats immune to doing this? ALL politicians do it. And they love it when the masses argue over it because it distracts from the real issues.

Joel, I told you I was kidding. I’m messin with ya. Chill.

And youre wrong. I do understand the argument. I have no issue with the mosque being built and Brewer did what politicians do. What else is there to understand?

Dont hate on me for pointing out your comment……it was a racist thing to say. You obviously believe that crime is at least somewhat proportional to “black freedom” because that was your example. Thats racist. If you understood their struggle you wouldnt say things like that.
mickey

I’m very interested in hearing about this “dark place” I come from too. And about those who I want to “bring down”.
My friend, you have a TERRIBLE misconception about who and what I am.
http://thechurchofjesuschrist.us Joel

No Mickey, there was no racism intended. It was to show that the argument, like your friend Eugene’s, which is borne by many as a means to scare others. It was found in the antebellum South as a protection of Slavery and today as a ‘see I told you so’ of racists. The same exact intellectual place that Eugene comes from and other of the Brewer ilk.
mickey

Maybe racism wasnt intended, but you used as an example to support your argument that crime is proportional to black freedom. That could be taken in many ways. And if you didnt believe that there was at least a hint of truth to it, I doubt you would have used that example.

You make a huge mistake when you lump me in with anyone, whether it be Eugene, Brewer, R Paul, or anyone else. I think on my own and I am not shy about saying things that I believe. I dont belong to any “groups” who blindly follow each other and accept each others beliefs unconditionally. I support Ron Paul and most of his positions..but that doesnt mean that I have to buy into his entire ideology. I am capable of criticizing him and will do so when its necessary.
I have yet to hear you criticize anything Obama has done. Has he done anything wrong yet? Anything?
I have heard Christian criticize an idea he actually agreed with, simply because the Tea Party was supporting it. How crazy is that?

That kind of thinking and compromising is dangerous.

I dont like this mosque being built where it is. But I fully support their right to do it. Am I obligated to LIKE it? I support religious freedom. Do you? Are you one of those who gets his panties in a wad when someone says “Merry Christmas”? Do you throw a tantrum when there is a prayer before a high school football game? Does it chap your ass to see a Nativity scene in front of a courthouse? I dont know your opinions on these individual issues I just mentioned. But I do know that opposition to these ideas come from those who share MANY of your beliefs. So, can I lump you in with those people? Would it be right for me to do that?
The point is that its OK to disagree sometimes with those who you normally agree with. I do it all the time and so should you. Its also OK to agree with those who you normally oppose now and then as well.
Eugene Pando

“…you have yet to either read the constitution or the bible…”…Lie.

“…like your friend Eugene’s,…” Lie.
Joshua

Eugene, the bible does not state whether Jesus’ family migrated legally or illegally into Egypt. They did, however, skirt the law which required them to submit to their local authority. So if it is a sin to stand up against injustice, then Jesus is the chief of sinners.
Eugene Pando

No. That would be Paul.
http://thechurchofjesuschrist.us Joel

So, in other words…. no defense whatsoever, Eugene.
Eugene Pando

Joshua, show me where Jesus’ family “skirted” the Law to get into egypt.
http://thechurchofjesuschrist.us Joel

First, they broke the law by not allowing their son to be murdered by Herod.
http://homebrewedtheology.com Christian

1) Some do, however I don’t. Eugene is brushing all illegal immigrants with a huge brush with his argument.

2) My point is that we can use any extreme as an example, doesn’t mean it’s necessarily a valid argument.

3) I go after Tea Partiers and Glenn Beck because they’re pimping bad theology. Secondly, they’re logically incongruent, and if they’re going to put forth a belief, it should be consistent.
http://homebrewedtheology.com Christian

Just because you believe your argument isn’t silly doesn’t mean it isn’t. It is, honestly, a logical fallacy.

Each and every victim is a tragedy in itself, and, quite honestly, I find that using them to score some political point to be beneath contempt.

I was attempting to show you how blatantly ridiculous your argument is and how easily that failed logic can be applied to just about any circumstance. Plus, I think you’re a little confused on what the definition of “lie” is.
http://homebrewedtheology.com Christian

How am I lying? I know the conservative line, in some circles, is to simply make something up and repeat it ad nauseum, regardless of whether or not reality supports it.

Brewer lied. There are no headless bodies. Crime rates have gone down for years. Border crossings are down. Deportations are up.

Simply put. Reality does not support what Brewer says.
Mickey

“Eugene is brushing all illegal immigrants with a huge brush with his argument.”
I agree. But youre painting all Tea Partiers with the same brush he’s using. The difference is that you support immigration as it is now apparently and you dont support the Tea Party.

“Each and every victim is a tragedy in itself, and, quite honestly, I find that using them to score some political point to be beneath contempt. ”
I’ll keep this in mind next time a “hate crime” is commited.

“I go after Tea Partiers and Glenn Beck because they’re pimping bad theology. Secondly, they’re logically incongruent, and if they’re going to put forth a belief, it should be consistent.”
Beck may be pimping bad theology- I wouldnt know. But he certainly has been talking a lot about religion lately which is a turn off.
So are you saying that every single member of the Tea Party has to agree with the Tea Party on every single issue? I think you already know how crazy that sounds. But it makes for a good writeup when you can find a couple of inconsistencies so I understand. Then again, maybe you DONT think its crazy to believe every thing some group says or does. I’m lead to believe that youre in lock step with the Democrats- or at least the far left wing of the democrats.

“How am I lying? I know the conservative line, in some circles, is to simply make something up and repeat it ad nauseum, regardless of whether or not reality supports it. ”
Yep, only conservatives do that. I wonder if anyone has collected the 10K from Breirbart over the alleged spitting incident yet? And thats only one example. I’m certain you dont require a thousand more to get the point that both sides do it.
Eugene Pando

Mmmmmmm. Straaaaawberries.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2010/09/la-firm-at-center-of-huge-human-smuggling-case.html
http://thechurchofjesuschrist.us Joel

Dang white people, human smugglin. Bet they are ‘Christians’ too. I say, no more white people and no more churches.
Christie Grant

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Roy Harrison

When I originally commented I clicked the “Notify me when new comments are added” checkbox and now each time a comment is added I get four emails with the same comment.
http://homebrewedtheology.com Christian

Thank you for bringing it to my attention. I will look into the issue and work to resolve it.
Eugene Pando

That’s one.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20101029/D9J59RUG0.html
http://joshuaseek.com joshua

Causality
http://homebrewedtheology.com Christian

A single instance does not an epidemic make. To claim so is silly. Besides, there’s an awful lot of “if’s, maybe’s, and could’s” in that article…..but don’t let that stop ya from jumping to conclusions.
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I never thought of it that way, well put!
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